Re: ToBs:The Origin Of Dogs Biogenetic engineering Or evolution?-Manpanzee anyone?
Rey Deletrina
Precision wrote:
> These are fascinating points leading one to ponder the evolutionary origins
> of the late canine.
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___________________Are you finished with your dog analysis yet? Because you should know that with every new sentence you write, your ignorance is being displayed in more and more detail. You might want to put the brakes on just shy of complete humiliation.JR
Delphina
Xabriol
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----> Are dogs evolved teenage mutanta wolves or not?
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"Xabriol" <Xab...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:I1Iof.4207$Ht4.4157@trnddc08...
Both the fossil and genetic evidence shows that dogs are the descendents of wolves, yes. Do you have a problem with that?JR
Budikka666
> If scientist are wrong about dogs initially, what can they say about man? The bottom line is, no new evolved species have been seen today.
Another Jabriol lie in a long line of lies:
Example A.
Fossil primate species Pelycodus ralstoni changed into two separate
species, Notharctus nunienus and Notharctus venticolus in an unbroken
fossil transition. The two later became even more distinct, and the
descendants of nunienus are now labeled as genus Smilodectes instead of
genus Notharctus.
The evolution of a new genus is macroevolution proven.
Example B.
Two species of planktonic foraminifera, Globigerinoides trilobus and
Orbulina universa, shared a common ancestor in the early Miocene. The
first appearance of 0. universa (~15 million years ago) was preceded by
an increase in the morphological variance of the ancestral lineage,
including the origin of several new and short-ranging morphospecies.
Biological speciation (cladogenesis) occurred priorly. Oxygen isotopic
ratios of G. trilobus and 0. universa indicate that the entire
evolutionary transition took place within mixed layer habitats similar
to those occupied by modern G. trilobus. The origin of Orbulina was a
case of sympatric speciation at shallow depths in the open ocean and
can be traced in an unbroken line.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example C.
An uninterrupted sequence of freshwater snail fossils in Pliocene
deposits in Yugoslavia show an unbroken sequence where one species
changes into another over a period of seven million years.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example D.
Eocoelia is a small brachiopod (this one is commonly known as a "lamp
shell") from the lower Silurian. It can be found all over the world,
including in Britain, Nova Scotia, Pennsylvania USA, Iowa USA, Siberia,
Norway, and South America. In several such places, a succession of 4
species has been found consistently over wide areas (North America and
Europe for example).
Data came from fossils gathered at thirteen different depths covering
about ten million years. There is a smooth transition that starts at
one species and ends at a different species.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example E.
In the nineteenth century Spartina alternifolia was found in Townsend
harbor in southern England, it is a native of the Americas and
presumably seeds were transferred in a boat's bilge.
There already existed a European species S. maritima. Early in the
20th century a sterile hybrid of these two was found and was called
Spartina townsendii. This went through a process of diploidization
(duplication of chromosome pairs) and became a new sexually reproducing
species known as Spartina anglica
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example F.
A species of grass, Anthoxanthum odoratum, growing in plots in the Park
Grass Experiment at Rothamsted Experimental Station, Harpenden, UK.,
was originally set up in 1856 to test the reactions of meadow
vegetation to
different fertilizer applications. There has been a shift in flowering
time of A. odoratum at the border between adjacent experimental plots.
Crucially, this 'inverse cline' of flowering is a signature of the
first steps along a particular road to speciation, that has been
predicted by modelling studies exploring how natural selection against
hybrids could contribute to reproductive isolation between populations
in proximity. It suggests that some species within adjacent plots in
the Park Grass Experiment are not exchanging genetic material via
pollination as frequently as would be expected. The genetic outcome of
this reproductive isolation was tested by using Inter Simple-Sequence
Repeat (ISSR) markers, which confirmed that there had been genetic
divergence between adjacent plots at these neutral marker sites.
Reproductive isolation and genetic divergence, the first phases of
speciation, had been confirmed.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example G.
In the lakes of East Africa, fish of the family Cichlidae have radiated
extensively from one or a very few original founder species. At least
1500 species of fish have arisen from a common ancestor in the last 10
million years. Within Lake Malawi over 700 species have arisen within
the last 2 million years. A number of factors are at work, including
trophic specialization and sexual selection.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example H.
Chorthippus brunnaeus and C. biguttulus are all but indistinguishable
grasshoppers, but they do not interbreed in the wild and so are
different species. However, they are so recently (in geologic terms)
separated that they *can* interbreed. They're induced to do so by the
temperature of their head, as determined from the rate or frequency of
their chirping. If the female is artificially warmed or cooled to the
temperature of the other species, she will breed with it, but normally
in the natural world, they do not breed. Reproductive isolation is the
first step toward speciation.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example I.
There is more than a dozen species of Darwin's finch on the Galapagos
Islands. There's some disagreement depending on how some intriguing
populations are classified. There is even disagreement about which
genera the species are divided into. Traditionally they are placed
into four groups: the tree finches (Camarhynchus), the warbler finch
(Certhidea), the ground finches (Geospiza) and the Cocos finch
(Pinaroloxias). It's current practice to class the Camarhynchus as
three genera: Camarhynchus (the tree finches), Platyspiza (the
vegetarian finch) and Cactospiza (the woodpecker and mangrove finches).
Some believe that all of the finches should be united as 14 species
in the single genus.
No one disagrees, not even the creationists, that the finches all
evolved from one founder species. Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example J.
On the Faeroe Islands exists the house mouse which was transported
there by humans within the last quarter millennium. There are now
several species.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example K.
Two strains of Drosophila paulistorum developed hybrid sterility of
male offspring between 1958 and 1963. Artificial selection induced
strong intra-strain mating preferences.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example L.
A species of fireweed formed by doubling of the chromosome count, from
the original stock.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example M.
Three species of goatsbeard flower were introduced to the USA from
Europe shortly after the turn of the century. Within a few decades the
populations expanded and began to encounter other such species in the
American West. When mixed populations occurred, the species hybridized
to produce sterile hybrid offspring, but in the late forties two new
species of goatsbeard appeared near Pullman, Washington. Although the
new species were similar in appearance to the hybrids, they produced
fertile offspring. The evolutionary process had created a separate
species that could reproduce but not mate with the goatsbeard plant
from which it had evolved.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example N.
There are two distinct strains of Rhagoletis pomonella (apple maggot
fly), one in the apple, the other in the hawthorn, which breed at
different times and therefore do not interbreed in nature. The fly is
not found in Europe, but the apple is an import from Europe. This is,
therefore, an example of speciation.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example O.
Theodosius Dobzhansky found that Drosophila paulistorum had started to
speciate in his lab.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example P.
In 1905, Hugo de Vries found a variant among his plants. Oenothera
lamarckiana has a chromosome count of 14, yet a variant in his lab had
a chromosome count of 28. De Vries found that he was unable to breed
this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example Q.
Digby (1912) crossed the primrose species Primula verticillata and P.
floribunda to produce a sterile hybrid. Polyploidization occurred in a
few of these plants to produce fertile offspring. The new species was
named P. kewensis. It was noticed that spontaneous hybrids of P.
verticillata and P. floribunda set tetraploid seed on at least three
occasions: 1905, 1923 and 1926.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example R.
In 1950 it was demonstrated that two species in the genus Tragopogon
were produced by polyploidization from hybrids. T. miscellus found in
a colony in Moscow, Idaho was produced by hybridization of T. dubius
and T. pratensis. T. mirus found in a colony near Pullman, Washington
was produced by hybridization of T. dubius and T. porrifolius.
Evidence from chloroplast DNA suggests that T. mirus originated
independently by hybridization in eastern Washington and western Idaho
at least three times. The same study also shows multiple origins for
T. micellus.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example S.
When the radish, Raphanus sativus, was crossed with the cabbage,
Brassica oleracea sterile hybrid were produced. Some unreduced gametes
were formed in the hybrids which allowed for the production of seed.
Plants grown from the seeds were interfertile with each other. They
were not interfertile with either parental species.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example T.
A prediction of the Theory of Evolution proven: A species of hemp
nettle, Galeopsis tetrahit, was hypothesized to be the result of a
natural hybridization of two other species, G. pubescens and G.
speciosa. The two species were crossed. The hybrids matched G.
tetrahit in both visible features and chromosome morphology.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example U.
In 1969, almost complete reproductive isolation between two varieties
of maize was demonstrated. Not only were the varieties distinguishable
by seed color, but other genetic markers allowed hybrid identification.
The two varieties were planted in a common field. Any plant's nearest
neighbors were always plants of the other strain. Selection was
applied against hybridization by using only those ears of corn that
showed a low degree of hybridization as the source of the next years
seed. Only parental type kernels from these ears were planted. The
strength of selection was increased each year. In the first year, only
ears with less than 30% intercrossed seed were used. In the fifth
year, only ears with less than 1% intercrossed seed were used. After
five years the average percentage of intercrossed matings dropped from
35.8% to 4.9% in the white strain and from 46.7% to 3.4% in the yellow
strain.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example V.
In 1964 five or six individuals of Nereis acuminata were collected in
Long Beach Harbor, California, and allowed to grow into a population of
thousands of individuals. Four pairs from this population were
transferred to the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. Over 20 years
later, when comparisons were made with wild populations, the Woods Hole
population had already shown itself at the start of reproductive
isolation. Reproduction isolation is speciation.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example W.
Scientific surveillance has shown that compatibility of mosquito
strains seems to be correlated with the strain of the Rickettsia-like
microbe present. Mosquitoes that carry different strains of the
microbe exhibit cytoplasmic incompatibility; those that carry the same
strain of microbe are interfertile. Reproduction isolation is
speciation.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
Example X.
In 1983 the induction of multicellularity in a strain of Chlorella
pyrenoidosa (since reclassified as C. vulgaris) by predation was
reported. It arose as a result of growing the unicellular green alga
in the first stage of a two stage continuous culture system as for food
for a flagellate predator growing in the second stage. Due to the
failure of a pump, flagellates washed back into the first stage. Within
five days a colonial form of the Chlorella appeared. It rapidly came
to dominate the culture. The colony size ranged from 4 cells to 32
cells. Eventually it stabilized at 8 cells. This colonial form has
persisted in culture for about a decade and has been keyed out using a
number of algal taxonomic keys. They key out now as being in the genus
Coelosphaerium, which is in a different family from Chlorella.
Generation is macroevolution proven.
Example Y.
In 1990 it was reported that an unidentified bacterium underwent a
major morphological change when grown in the presence of a ciliate
predator. This bacterium's normal morphology is a short (1.5 um) rod.
After 8 - 10 weeks of growing with the predator it assumed the form of
long (20 um) cells. These cells have no cross walls. Multicellularity
has also been produced in unicellular bacterial by predation. In a
1994 study, growth in the presence of protozoal grazers resulted in the
production of chains of bacterial cells.
Morphological change is macroevolution.
Example Z.
Elephants from the tropical forests of Africa are morphologically
distinct from savannah or bush elephants. Dart-biopsy samples from 195
free-ranging African elephants in 21 populations were examined for DNA
sequence variation in four nuclear genes (1732 base pairs).
Phylogenetic distinctions between African forest elephant and savannah
elephant populations corresponded to 58% of the difference in the same
genes between elephant genera Loxodonta (African) and Elephas (Asian).
Large genetic distance, multiple genetically fixed nucleotide site
differences, morphological and habitat distinctions, and extremely
limited hybridization of gene flow between forest and savannah
elephants support the recognition and conservation management of two
African species.
Speciation is macroevolution proven.
And here's a reference to another 530 examples:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
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Budikka
Rey Deletrina
Budikka666 wrote:
>
> > If scientist are wrong about dogs initially, what can they say about man? The bottom line is, no new evolved species have been seen today.
>
> Another Jabriol lie in a long line of lies:
>
> Example A.
> Fossil primate species Pelycodus ralstoni changed into two separate
> species, Notharctus nunienus and Notharctus venticolus in an unbroken
> fossil transition. The two later became even more distinct, and the
> descendants of nunienus are now labeled as genus Smilodectes instead of
> genus Notharctus.
>
> The evolution of a new genus is macroevolution proven.
>
And in what laboratory was done?
Research paper?
It seems that this "special lab" bypassed other steps on the scientific method.
>
> Example B.
> Two species of planktonic foraminifera, Globigerinoides trilobus and
> Orbulina universa, shared a common ancestor in the early Miocene. The
> first appearance of 0. universa (~15 million years ago) was preceded by
> an increase in the morphological variance of the ancestral lineage,
> including the origin of several new and short-ranging morphospecies.
>
> Biological speciation (cladogenesis) occurred priorly. Oxygen isotopic
> ratios of G. trilobus and 0. universa indicate that the entire
> evolutionary transition took place within mixed layer habitats similar
> to those occupied by modern G. trilobus. The origin of Orbulina was a
> case of sympatric speciation at shallow depths in the open ocean and
> can be traced in an unbroken line.
>
> Speciation is macroevolution proven.
>
>
Speculation is not proof. Where did you take science? biology from DC comics?
> Example C.
> An uninterrupted sequence of freshwater snail fossils in Pliocene
> deposits in Yugoslavia show an unbroken sequence where one species
> changes into another over a period of seven million years.
>
> Speciation is macroevolution proven.
And you around to observed this event no doubt.
>
>
> Example D.
> Eocoelia is a small brachiopod (this one is commonly known as a "lamp
> shell") from the lower Silurian. It can be found all over the world,
> including in Britain, Nova Scotia, Pennsylvania USA, Iowa USA, Siberia,
> Norway, and South America. In several such places, a succession of 4
> species has been found consistently over wide areas (North America and
> Europe for example).
>
> Data came from fossils gathered at thirteen different depths covering
> about ten million years. There is a smooth transition that starts at
> one species and ends at a different species.
>
> Speciation is macroevolution proven.
>
>
A man flys around in cape with a S pianted on his chest. Kryptonians are here, proven.
SNIP____________________+++++++++++++++++++++++_____________________________
Now then, get back to us when you when your tour of duty in Narnia is over.
Tax Man
Thank you SO MUCH for cross posting this important information to
alt.free.newsservers. This is something we all need to read and study
carefully.
I will cross post it to other groups as well.
Keep up the excellent contributions. You are the best.
Budikka666
> Budikka666 wrote:
> >
> > > If scientist are wrong about dogs initially, what can they say about
> man? The bottom line is, no new evolved species have been seen today.
> >
> > Another Jabriol lie in a long line of lies:
> >
> > Example A.
> > Fossil primate species Pelycodus ralstoni changed into two separate
> > species, Notharctus nunienus and Notharctus venticolus in an unbroken
> > fossil transition. The two later became even more distinct, and the
> > descendants of nunienus are now labeled as genus Smilodectes instead of
> > genus Notharctus.
> >
> > The evolution of a new genus is macroevolution proven.
> >
> And in what laboratory was done?
Laboratory? It was in the wild. Evolution is a naturally occurring
phenomenon:
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/pelycodus.html
> It seems that this "special lab" bypassed other steps on the scientific
> method.
Who said *anything* about a special lab? Get a clue! Like you would
know *anything* about the scientific method! LoL!
> > Example B.
> > Two species of planktonic foraminifera, Globigerinoides trilobus and
> > Orbulina universa, shared a common ancestor in the early Miocene. The
> > first appearance of 0. universa (~15 million years ago) was preceded by
> > an increase in the morphological variance of the ancestral lineage,
> > including the origin of several new and short-ranging morphospecies.
> >
> > Biological speciation (cladogenesis) occurred priorly. Oxygen isotopic
> > ratios of G. trilobus and 0. universa indicate that the entire
> > evolutionary transition took place within mixed layer habitats similar
> > to those occupied by modern G. trilobus. The origin of Orbulina was a
> > case of sympatric speciation at shallow depths in the open ocean and
> > can be traced in an unbroken line.
> >
> > Speciation is macroevolution proven.
> >
> >
> Speculation is not proof.
Speculation? The word is "speciation" and it has been observed
repeatedly in the wild and in the lab. The proof of this is published
in the science journals for anyone with the ability to read:
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/sle.htm
> Where did you take science? biology from DC
> comics?
These are examples form peer-reviewed science papers published in
refereed science journals. Now retreat again and toss out another
straw man. That's what you do best.
> > Example C.
> > An uninterrupted sequence of freshwater snail fossils in Pliocene
> > deposits in Yugoslavia show an unbroken sequence where one species
> > changes into another over a period of seven million years.
> >
> > Speciation is macroevolution proven.
>
> And you around to observed this event no doubt.
No, but the fossil record was and records mnay unbroken evolution
lineages.
And what do you have to offer from your fossil brain? I see
unmitigated mindless blather but, as usual, not even the remotest hint
of a shred of scientific refutation. These are scientific facts and
you're impotent before them as your juvenile response demonstrates
beyond contention.
> > Example D.
> > Eocoelia is a small brachiopod (this one is commonly known as a "lamp
> > shell") from the lower Silurian. It can be found all over the world,
> > including in Britain, Nova Scotia, Pennsylvania USA, Iowa USA, Siberia,
> > Norway, and South America. In several such places, a succession of 4
> > species has been found consistently over wide areas (North America and
> > Europe for example).
> >
> > Data came from fossils gathered at thirteen different depths covering
> > about ten million years. There is a smooth transition that starts at
> > one species and ends at a different species.
> >
> > Speciation is macroevolution proven.
> >
> >
> A man flys around in cape with a S pianted on his chest. Kryptonians are
> here, proven.
No, but your fundamental ignorance and impotence is proven. Thanks for
adding to the mountian of evidence that's you;re a Loser, backing a
loser. Now keep running and tossing out your excuses and straw men.
It's what you do best, after all.
Budikka
Budikka666
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/5/l_015_02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/evolution_of_wolves.htm
http://www.k9magazinefree.com/k9_perspective/iss17p8.shtml
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/data/2002/01/01/html/ft_20020101.1.html
Budikka
Delphina
dogs are loving, humans are not. the number 9 represents man. it also
represents the devil. man of peace or man of war. your choice, FOR ONLY
A SHORT TIME until you die. then see if you like the karma of your
decision to use or abuse free will.
Delphina
innocese. it;s other name is LOVE.
Budikka666
Just say no to drugs. Then you will quit having these bizarre
nightmares and can lead a normal life. People can help you. Please,
seek help now, before it's too late.
Budikka
showd...@yahoo.com
your computer is being monitored by S.O.S. in Chicago where a Saint
lives who loves children.
Cracklin'
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> get the crap of my dog site child perverts you are not welcome here
> your computer is being monitored by S.O.S. in Chicago where a Saint
> lives who loves children.
Why is this crap being cross-posted to pond, religious and newsserver
groups? Please trim these non pet groups from your header.......
Thanks
CR..........
Budikka666
Just say no to drugs. Then you will quit having these bizarre